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Fuck you. Pay me. -- A masterpost for artists.

Journal Entry: Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:30 AM


As an artist, you probably will be approached by various people over time. Some may be looking for commissions, others will most likely be looking for free art.

Here are some handy resources concerning the "free art"-people. First of all, there's this handy flowchart called "Should I Work For Free?.

If they say they'll pay you with:

-Exposure
-Eventual cut of the profit when profits are made
-No pay, since artists "shouldn't be sell-outs, but draw for fun"

Then run for the hills and get away as fast as you can.
Because if it's for a game, a comic or another for-profit project, the most normal response should be "Fuck you. Pay me." (worded politer, though that goes without saying).


Spec-work? -- Fuck you. Pay me.
"We don't have the budget for 20 sprite-sheets, but we'll sell this game and your name will be in the credits!" -- Fuck you. Pay me.
"We need 10 sprites / full paintings by tomorrow, for free please!" -- Fuck you. Pay me.

Or as Ricky Gervais put it:

New Canvas by Hardrockangel




Some videos and interesting reads on the topic:
- A Note to You, Should You Be Thinking of Asking Me to Write For You For Free
- A Little More Re: Writing For Free
- Unfinanced Entrepreneurs PART 1 (Brought to my attention by Weissboard, thank you!)
- "Fuck you. Pay me." (VIDEO)

Your art is worth more than you think.It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a person in possession of a good fortune must be in want of art.
If you've ever taken a look at the job-offers part of any forum or site, you'll notice two tendencies that occur online. The first is that a lot of people look for art, some for the cheapest possible price at the best possible quality. The other is that a lot of people are willing to low-ball even more than the initial offer simply to snag the job.
Because if they don't offer cheaper art than the rest, they wouldn't be getting the job, or so the line of thought most likely goes.
You see people selling full-body, detailed renderings for $10, or people who sell pixel art for 50 points. But why?
A reminder should be sent out telling people that their art is worth so much more than they think. And this is why I can highly advise these  journals if you plan to price and sell your art.
Interesting info
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Because this is a message that needs to be spread again every once in a while.
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:icontheamericankaiser:
TheAmericanKaiser Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
So what about the people who just want at least one piece of art from a better artist than themselves to show as nothing short of a simple way for people to see exactly how a character looks?
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aiholic Featured By Owner May 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I have to say, the same applies to friends as well, because the very few times I ever post a drawing on FB (this is why its very rare) they go all "Oh hey draw me too how come you never draw me hey where is my drawing????" as if I just fart drawings out. Heck even farting on command is difficult, so just because someone is your friend doesn't mean they are special. So kudos to your post!:clap:
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Hardrockangel Featured By Owner May 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh yes. Or they ask for something I can't draw at all.
Someone I know asked if I could make a realistic painting of her dog, but with a baby-bonnet on her head, so she could use the image for the baptism cards for her child.

For one: I can't draw dogs (yet, I practice). Secondly: That is well over 8h+ of work.
Thirdly: I had exams at that time! And she got angry at me because I said no. :faint:

It's sad, but this message still needs to be spread because people tend to think artistic work should be done for free and that it's easy.
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aiholic Featured By Owner May 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes and somehow it galls me when people are like you always start out drawing for free because you're not a pro yet, and I'm like excuse me I am using hours of my life where I could be doing something else for your request and its not even a request I feel inspired to do. I don't know about you but for me I have to feel very inspired to draw something, else I'll lose all interest and that particular piece will ferment away on my desk.
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:iconhardrockangel:
Hardrockangel Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Personally, requests can be done, but then only if it's something that interests you and that you would've drawn either way. And even then, personal work and commissions should come first.
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aiholic Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Exactly, and I would do a request if someone asks me nicely (and bribes me with lots of cupcakes but shhh).
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changewinds Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013
Thanks for putting it all into one place. Need more people advocating for artists rights!
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:iconhardrockangel:
Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Agreed! :nod:
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:iconotaku-chan-266:
Otaku-Chan-266 Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow, I never thought about that before! Thankyou so much for this helpful information!!!! People who want art for free....ARE DEMONS!!!
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:iconhardrockangel:
Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm glad I could help out!
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sleepyowlet Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Hell yes. Thank you.
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:iconhardrockangel:
Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No problem! :la:
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:iconpersonalgenius:
PersonalGenius Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Snuggle me?
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:iconhardrockangel:
Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not good at snuggling. D:
I can hug, though.
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PersonalGenius Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Close enough!
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Roxxia-chan Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So true. I love you. :iconbravoplz::iconletmehugyouplz::iconsupertighthugplz:
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:iconhardrockangel:
Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you. :blush:
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:iconroxxia-chan:
Roxxia-chan Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
np <3
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ToxictheCatx Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Absolutely. :iconbravoplz:
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:iconhardrockangel:
Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:bow:
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JohnnyPahlsson Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional General Artist
I just listen to Stephen Silver in "Protect your art career"....and he is right. Don't work for nothing. There are always companies who try to fool you by getting things for free and especially artwork, because they'e got some idea that what we do is some kind of a freetime hobby.
So I agre to -Fuck you - Pay me!
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:iconhardrockangel:
Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Glad you found it helpful! :hug:
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LadyFabcurly Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconbrohugplz:
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:iconhardrockangel:
Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:hug:
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Milayou Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I'm glad you posted this, as I had an experience with this just recently. I make crochet plushies, and someone wanted me to make their custom character. I asked them if it was a commission that they would pay me for, or just for fun. They said just for fun, so I assumed they just wanted to see a picture of the finished doll, and not actually want to buy it. I figured i'd go ahead and do it, since it was an excuse to improve on my pattern a bit, but then it turned out they misunderstood me and DID want me to mail it. For free. Normally I would be like "fuck you, pay me", but I just happened to be in a really good mood that day and figured I'd be nice, but then they kept being nitpicky about the details, and some other people came in to my defense and got all on the guy's case, and he ended up getting banned for admitting he was younger than he said he was.

It made my day though, that other people who don't even know me would stand up for me like that. I like how artists will do that for each other. It makes me really appreciate the community on here.
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Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I just read that whole fiasco. It's things like that that make me say "no" to any kind of request I get. I don't care if you're sick, just lost your puppy or feel depressed. My time is my time and I'm going to fill it doing my work. Don't like that? Then fuck you. Pay me. :stare:

You were incredibly kind to do that plushie and the guy was an ass. Sorry to see that happened to you. D:
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:iconmilayou:
Milayou Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Yeah, it's definitely the last time I'm going to do a favor for a random stranger like that. I think the majority of people know they need to pay up if they're going to request something like that. I wouldn't have minded doing it for free, if not for that first misunderstanding about me not mailing it though, but oh well, everything worked out in the end. I ended up getting a couple new watchers out of posting that doll, which I always appreciate. It really boosts my confidence in myself when more and more people start liking my work. (since for the longest time after joining, I only had a few watchers).

And don't worry, I learned something important from all of this anyway. I think next time (which hopefull won't happen), that I can nicely turn that kind of offer down, without just being a doormat about it.
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:iconcogetta:
Cogetta Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
I am surprised you did! looks hards to do and takes time and money for materials. Feel sorry you now have a plushie noone else may want to buy :(
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:iconmilayou:
Milayou Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Yeah, although the materials themselves are actually pretty cheap (compared to sewn cloth plushies and such) the time that goes in to this is not. It takes me 4-5 hours now (to make that particular doll I had made) but of course it always takes so much longer than that at first to make the pattern. It's only quicker once I have the already finished pattern to refer to in the future.

And it wasn't a TOTAL waste, since like I said, it was a chance to improve the pattern a bit, but your right. I don't know what I'm going to do with this plushie now. If I display it in my room, it's probably only going to make me think of that whole ordeal again. :/
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Cogetta Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
You could maybe TRY and get it advertised and hope someone will want it :x
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:iconmilayou:
Milayou Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Yeah, I could try. Worst case scenario, I could just give it to Goodwill, and some little kid might think it's really cool. Although it'd be nice if I was the one getting paid for it. Oh well, I'm sure i'll figure something out. :/
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Cogetta Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Well it be really nice giving it to Good Will, then a child without one would be happy to have one and an MLP fan character many would be happy to have. Best of luck finding a buyer!
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:iconhardrockangel:
Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You could always take off the cutie-mark and sew on another one and sell it as a custom pony-plush?
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:iconmilayou:
Milayou Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Yeah, I suppose I probably could...didn't even think of that. I suppose if I got really bored, I could remove his wings, give him a horn, and put Shining Armor's cutie mark on him. It wouldn't look exactly like him, but it'd be kinda cool. I do like Shining Armor, and then he could sit next to my Twilight Sparkle that has too short of a short neck (she was one of my first ones, before I really got the hang of my pattern).
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SingingFlames Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Amen. :nod:
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Laura-Bosley Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
i completely agree :)
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kagato007 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Everything you said is true. I wouldn't call myself an artist, maybe hobbyst doodler - but it's rather annoying when people are begging for free "art".

My attitude is - It's not my job, it's the thing that I do in my free time. I could do many other things and not sitting on your freebie, that I know you won't even respect.

And that's the main problem here - I'm able to make art trades, if I can assume that other person wil put his or her heart into the drawing. They don't need to be great at it.. darn... I'm not great at it... but I have to know that you care about it... When people are paying that's a great fealing for me, not because I got some money (which is nice of course:P) but because it means that they somehow appreciate what I'm doing.

Sorry for my rant:D And two thumbs up from me:D
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Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I could do many other things and not sitting on your freebie, that I know you won't even respect.

That's exactly the attitude more people should have! I have my own ideas to draw, so if you want me to make time for yours, you'd better make sure you can pay me for my time and skill.

I don't do too many art trades, though. I keep hearing from others that they either never received their part of the trade, or got an extremely bad drawing, so I'm too afraid to even try. :lol:
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Cherry-tama Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
That's why I always demand they put their part up first =P I've had it happen once and that was enough.
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kagato007 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
Well, about art trades - I don't really mind if it's a great quality, or maybe lower, as long as I see that somebody put his heart into it;) Well.. to be honest I didn't have many art trades - and by not many I mean I had one:P

But I feel that it's easier for me to accept than just doing somethig for free:)
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ItsNotFilia Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm immune to all that. I have no skills and consequentially get no requests. /win
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:iconhardrockangel:
Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm not sure if I agree with the "no skill"-part. You can draw. :aww:
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Raph1966 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Student General Artist
Good to see that you are doing this as well. People comment about Harlan Ellison as an "angry man" and worse. They don't get it...he might seem "angry" but it's a rant and he's passionate about what he's saying. (some people on YouTube will say anything anyway). I like what Silver has to say. Nice to spread the word.
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Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
He's definitely not an angry man, he's a wise man! :faint:
And no problem.
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Raph1966 Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Student General Artist
Thanks. Nice to see so many comments about this. I'm always learning something. :D
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swa59 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
:iconfuuuplz:
The above picture is a begger's reaction to this piece of writing.
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:iconhardrockangel:
Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:iconteheplz:
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swa59 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Dey gon' be mad' :icontrolldadplz:
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Ahkward Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional General Artist
I'm showing this to my teacher. He'll love it. :D

This made my day. :iconbrohugplz: Thanks man.
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:iconhardrockangel:
Hardrockangel Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No problem! :tighthug:
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